Not the ones he did not create. Read section 21 when you have some free time. Even if you would ''uncomposite'' DC, Perpetua would still be well beyond physics and mathematics, while TOAA couldn't fix one physical universe. Which is from a comic not published by DC. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. 45 comments. Just going off of the times they need to be involved. Read section 21 when you have some free time. The Elder Scrolls metaphysics & philosophy, The Presence vs The One Above All (1-A/AAO), https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:2474110. I've had a long held belief on this channel that no character is unbeatable. ( which is obviously most likely now ). S/he is not omniscient even in non jim starlin series. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend.

Full control over all aspects of a universe is omnipotence which im pretty sure perpetua doesn't have. In universe Masadaverse matches have been fair before, Presance>Micheal and Lucfier>Logoz>1A angels. @shadowrazer24: Then he is basically omnipotent, if the OP stated that this is TOAA from back then.
Starlin series is non canon, going with TOAA here.

More posts from the whowouldwin community. I don’t think normal power scaling will work for this fight, as I would assume neither of them have ever shown their full power. So one multiverse may appear to be finite , but that doesn't change the fact that it contains infinite universes which Perpetua created , it's just that space becomes irrelevant. Is it just speculation? And yes she has unlimited control over it. Perpetua laid the foundation for that. The Presence is the most powerful entity in the DC Multiverse. In vertigo the presence is the end all be all she would not be on the same level as him. Maybe, also section 18. The One Above All (Marvel) vs the Presence (DC) Battle. Perpetua has unlimited control over her Multiverses, even abstract concepts and versions of physics that can't be explained. Edit : Just noticed it was old TOAA. 93% Upvoted. Then this is a close fight , since both are supposed to be omnipotent within their respective multiverses. TOAA does not. The Presence has the ability to empower various angels, including the Spectre, Eclipso, and Michael Demiurgos. i think its too early for this match we didn't see much from oaa yet.

The user i replied to said she had Unlimited control over them. Exactly my point. The Overvoid > infinite multiverses of DC > Perpetua's one multiverse. Especially when The Basanos is shown to stomp their creator into the ground, so they're not on the same level. He can be anything. Is she on the same level as the presence? This thread is archived. save hide report. Hypertime is all DC Canon. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The reason all the infinite multiverses fit into the Overvoid is that space , time and physics stop existing at such a level. And you for some reason, had to believe these Marvel wankers when they claimed there was such a thing as "Pre-Retcon TOAA". Yet you jump on the bandwagon as soon as one writer decides he's going to be weak as f*ck compared to his old version.

Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He is master of the living tribunal. Surprisingly there is an answer, the one above all wins. So that doesn't count. Don't give them an inch. Perpetua seems to be at a level beyond what we're normally shown in the dc cosmology.

Also, this is supported with Cain and Abel's presence. Archived. You need some external agent who wasn't created by her in order to stop her , like the Source judges , provided they're more powerful than her. Perpetua laid the foundation for that. Write your thoughts below in … Murder Mysteries is not published by Vertigo or DC, it's published by Dark Horse Comics, so it doesn't count and is merely a one shot spinoff of Gaiman's continuum sub-autonomous lore than as being truly a serious part of the DC/Sandman cosmology. There are angels who have created the concept of dimensions IIRC, @Nether The origin of DC cosmology has been retconned more times than Mjolnir's history is Marvel. - Duration: 5:15. Many ''non-omnipotent'' characters that have shown limitations have control over physics, physics aspects or whatever. But we know Perpetua is powerful enough to be omnipotent within her multiverse at least , TOAA can't even do that. @nwname: It doesn't make her omnipotent. Hypertime is all DC Canon. Its like i said virtually unlimited control, she still can not go beyond the transfinite level that multiverse has and she can not turn things inside it into omnipotent beings to solo all the “external agents”. @y3kthunder: They exist in the same universe now per geilman, @michaelfnshotz: pretty certain he only said that synder can use dream in his story, Honestly there is quite a few differences between the two verses an not only that but writers lije holly black stated they were seperate enitities. I assume he would be superior to true form oblivion, who is superior to his avatars and illusions. The One Above All (Marvel) vs the Presence (DC) Battle. © 2020 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved.

The Overvoid > infinite multiverses of DC > Perpetua's one multiverse. You are indeed where you belong. The Presence Edit. Sort by. If we exclude Earth 33 , then it includes infinite universes with infinite timelines. If we put them in a head to head fight, who, if either, would win. @nwname: It doesn't make her omnipotent. They are equals.

Humans have created nuclear weapons, are we 7-B to 7-A? They are supposedly omnipotent, but let’s try and figure out which one is more all powerful. They both rule over the universes of Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Star Trek, Friends, The Incredibles etc. Realistically, they represent the same exact thing. So , if they both have full control over their respective creations , it's a toss up then. Only to limited degrees. you're about 7 months late on that one buddy. Here we go with the marvel wank denial again. alized The Writer: 1 TOAA: 1 Inconclusive: 0 … The Sphere of Gods wasn't created by Perpetua , it was created by Presence who in turn is another multiverse creator. @artoreus: Not “God of Marvel” but more of a top tier god in Marvel.

It makes her omnipotent for beings that she created , not beings that weren't created by her.
Superior to The Living Tribunal and exists beyond all space and time, but stated that it was unable to stop the imbalance to the multiverse caused by Thanos). Hang on fryman shouldn't the title be thanos above all others. The Presence launches a massive cosmic attack that was a combination of both energy projection and concept manipulation (the concept being destruction) at the One-Above-All that destroys the DC Comics Multiverse as collateral damage, the shockwaves alone being felt by the deities that exist within the Sphere of the Gods. He is omnipotent and he blinkstomps DCverse.

is this pre retcon toaa or the nerfed ver? Maybe, also section 18. The one above all runs it better as well. Since as long as I have been aware of them, The bassanos were created by an angel and those guys are 1A.There are also 1A angels in murder mysteries.

The DC verse is much bigger than just the DC multiverse we're shown usually. Presence stomps.

So he would win. Or maybe it's PIS, i love how that never came to you as an option, despite there being multiple writers and comics and handbooks that have described him as omnipotent above anything, one writer that literally had a falling with Marvel and after this is never writing any book again is somehow the SOLE authority over TOAA. Everyone knows that Post Retcon would get stomped lmao no need to bring that up. Who has more control of their universe? Well, it's a 1-A fight, so, which one AP stomps? Every story, every Marvel crossover. Above All Others wouldn't even be a match against Spectre's 1-A Key in AP... Much less Lucifer... and definitely ...Much less Presence. The Presence (DC) vs The One Above All (Marvel) Close.

VS Battles Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. She has complete control over her multiverse , but the fact of the matter is there are an infinite number of multiverses in DC , she cannot exercise full control over an entity from another multiverse , for example TOAA , Presence's heaven and the Sphere of Gods , Earth 33 , etc. Who do you think will win?

Its more like virtually unlimited control over it.

The Presence vs The One Above All (1-A/AAO) Forum > Versus Threads board > The Presence vs The One Above All (1-A/AAO) (Closed) The rich text editor does not work with JavaScript switched off. OP says Pre Retcon TOAA.

The-One-Above-All Edit. Is she the same as 'The presence'? But beimg unable to fix a broken part of the multiverse ie regulators is new. Perpetua has unlimited control over her Multiverses, even abstract concepts and versions of physics that can't be explained. He had shown literally no feats even before the supposed retcon. The-One-Above-All is the God of the Marvel multiverse and the creator of it. share. Comics explained has stated this, but where did he get this information form? My bad. For now just refrain from commenting in the thread unless actually needed. They are supposedly omnipotent, but let’s try and figure out which one is more all powerful. I believe Marvel has that too. Whatever she created , cannot stop her. 6 years ago.

If she had unlimited control/power over it that would make her omnipotent by definition.


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